Radiacion por volar a niveles de vuelo altos

clintonmex

Well-Known Member
asi es y segun tengo entendido la radiacion aumenta 4 veces por cada 1000 ft,

Es recomendable el uso de bloqueadores.
 
Exposición a radiación

Pues hoy, viendo la TV, me llamó mucho la atención un programa sobre aviación, hablaba de lo que es la hipoxia y algunas otras cosas, entre el programa, hablaron de la exposición pasajeros-tripulación a la radiación en cualquier vuelo, al igual que enfermedades ocurridas etc.

Me llamó la atención que mencionaran que siempre se está expuesto a radiación, pero no entendí bien el tema.

Si alguien en el foro pudiese explicar mejor a lo que se refiería se lo agradecería, ya que me parece importante e interesante.

Saludos.
 

Black Sheep

Active Member
Radiacion

Modeling Radiation Exposure for Pilots, Crew and Passengers on Commercial Flights12.22.08



A NASA Langley-led effort is trying to build a better model to predict the amount of damaging radiation pilots, flight crews and frequent flyers are exposed to on commercial airline flights. While flight crews are designated by the federal government as "radiation workers," just like nuclear plant employees and X-ray technicians, there are no industry standards for radiation exposure or consistently used methods for measuring exposure. Image credit: NASA


San Francisco -- A group of researchers led by NASA, in collaboration with Space Environment Technologies, Inc., the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and Dartmouth College, are building a model that can predict the solar and cosmic radiation exposure for crews and passengers on commercial airline flights. Researchers will be presenting their preliminary work at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco on Friday, Dec. 19.

While it may not be commonly known, airline flight crews are currently classified as "radiation workers," a federal designation that means they are consistently exposed to radiation. Flight crews on high-latitude routes, in fact, are exposed to more radiation on an annual basis than nuclear plant workers.

But unlike in other fields, radiation exposure is not measured in the airline industry, nor are there standards or limits regarding exposure.

A NASA Applied Sciences project called NAIRAS, Nowcast of Atmosphere Ionizing Radiation for Aviation Safety, seeks to build tools that use real-time data and modeling to estimate radiation exposure. The issue has been of concern to pilots, crews and scientists for some time, but this will be the first real-time, data-driven, global model to predict not just cosmic background radiation, but also radiation during solar storm events.

Passengers and flight crews are exposed to radiation because the shielding from Earth's atmosphere against high-energy solar particles and cosmic rays is weaker at normal cruising altitudes than at the surface. The threat is even greater for flight paths that take planes near the poles, because the momentum shielding by Earth's magnetic field is weaker at high latitudes. The concern is greatest for flight crews and frequent flyers because of their consistent exposure over long periods.

Christopher Mertens, a senior research scientist at NASA Langley Research Center and the NAIRAS principal investigator, said the model should provide the most accurate estimations yet of the biologically damaging radiation doses received by airline crews and passengers. The model will use measurements from ground-based neutron monitors, atmospheric temperature and density, solar particle flux and solar wind parameters to "nowcast" exposure levels. Measurements from the NASA Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft and NOAA GOES satellites are used in the model.

"The idea is you combine real-time data with accurate models to predict," said Mertens, who helped develop a radiation dosage model for light-ion radiotherapy. "We need an ability to measure and predict."

John Murray, a Langley research scientist who specializes in satellite aviation-weather products, said including solar, atmospheric and magnetosphere activity into the model will make it stand apart.

"This will help the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) to determine what standards may be needed in order to address the increasing concerns that the industry and public have over human exposure to ionizing radiation," Murray said.

Most aviation-related research on cosmic radiation has focused on the potential damage to communication and navigation technology, Mertens said. But little has centered on human health impacts.

NASA first investigated the issue in the 1960s and 1970s when it was studying the feasibility of high-altitude supersonic commercial aviation transport, Mertens said. At the time radiation exposure during flight was deemed a negligible health concern for commercial aircraft at cruising altitudes given what was known about radiation and the number and types of flights common at that time.

Concerns have grown for three primary reasons. Pilots log twice as many flight hours now as then, while flight attendants typically log more hours than pilots. Epidemiological studies have shown this type of exposure to be more damaging than previously thought. And, the number of polar flights is increasing, Mertens said.

Airlines prefer polar routes – for instance, for certain U.S.-to-northern Europe or U.S.-to-Asia routes – because it's a shorter route with reduced head winds, creating fuel savings of tens of thousands of dollars per flight.

Preliminary research indicates that passengers and crews are being exposed to more radiation than previously thought, especially during significant solar events. Mertens analyzed data from a strong solar storm around Halloween 2003 and found that passengers on polar flights – for example from Chicago to Beijing – were exposed to radiation higher than the limit recommended by the International Commission on Radiological Protection. In addition, not including new features in the model such as magnetic storm effects on Earth's magnetic field underestimated the exposure during that storm by a factor of four.

"People on that flight exceeded their radiation exposure limit, and they don't even know it," Mertens said.

The system could also eventually be used to log radiation exposure for flight crews by year and even by career, so that pilots and attendants can keep track of their personal risk.

NAIRAS, funded in the spring of 2008 by NASA's Applied Sciences Program, is scheduled to be a three-year program. Mertens said he hopes the research will lead to improved methods for measuring radiation, predicting radiation levels and a better system to mitigate exposure for passengers, pilots and flight attendants. The research could also lead to the development of onboard instruments that would give pilots real-time radiation estimates on their control panels, alongside the rest of their instruments.

Murray said the model will be available upon completion to the Centers for Disease Control's National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Space Weather Prediction Center, the Air Force Research Laboratory and the FAA.

Patrick Lynch
NASA's Langley Research Center

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/AGU-NAIRAS.html
 

Black Sheep

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Cosmic Radiation May Up Cataracts in Pilots
Pattern Seen in Study of Commercial Pilots in Iceland
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health NewsReviewed by Michael W. Smith, MDAug. 8, 2005 -- Exposure to high-altitude cosmic radiation may make commercial pilots more likely to get cataracts than nonpilots.

Cataracts in the center of the eye's lens were three times as common among commercial pilots as among their peers who weren't pilots, write researchers from Iceland in the Archives of Ophthalmology.

Cosmic radiation -- a type of very energetic radiation originating from space -- is found throughout the universe. Flying puts pilots at greater exposure to cosmic radiation than most people.

About Cataracts
The researchers found that pilots had a higher frequency of nuclear cataracts. This refers to a cloudy spot (cataract) at the center, or nucleus, of the eye's lens.

Nuclear cataracts are the most common type of cataract. They're usually linked to aging. Cataracts are also tied to smoking, overexposure to ultraviolet radiation (including from sunbathing), eye injuries, diabetes, and long-term steroid use.

Some cataracts remain small and unnoticeable. Others severely hinder vision. Surgery can remove cataracts, but not all cataracts require surgery.

Pilot Study
The study included 445 men, 79 of whom were commercial pilots. Most participants didn't have nuclear cataracts, but 79 men did.

Pilots were three times as likely to have nuclear cataracts as the nonpilots, after taking age, smoking, and sunbathing into account, write the researchers. They included Vilhjalmur Rafnsson, MD, PhD, of the preventive medicine department of the University of Iceland.

Cosmic Cataract Cause?
Based on the results, "cosmic radiation may be a causative factor in nuclear cataracts among commercial airline pilots," write the researchers.

Age also made nuclear cataracts more likely. Smoking and sunbathing weren't strongly linked to nuclear cataracts in this study.

Taking that all into account, the pilots' odds of getting nuclear cataracts were tied to their years as pilots and their cumulative radiation dose. Exposure before age 40 had the biggest impact. That's in line with the long time line for nuclear cataract development, write the researchers.

Eye injuries, diabetes, and long-term steroid use probably weren't important in this study, write Rafnsson and colleagues. Exposure to ultraviolet radiation in plane cockpits was "minimal," the researchers note.


http://www.webmd.com/eye-health/cataracts/news/20050808/cosmic-radiation-may-up-cataracts-pilots
 

HeliPilot

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En ASPA hubo una comision (un cuate mio estuvo metido en eso) que estuvo investigando eso, realmente el proposito de la comision era lograr una especie de bono o prima por "riesgo a la exposicion de radiacion", pero como no hay realmente ninguna documentacion, pues no se logro nada de $.

Aunque esto de las cataratas en los ojos es por los espectros de luz UV, en los aviones mas modernos y mas grandes no es tan critico, pues los parabrisas traen filtros UV y algunos hasta polarizadores, por eso cuando tomas una foto desde la cabina sale con rayas todas raras a veces.

Ahora en los helicopteros, hay ventana por todas partes, estas mucho mas expuesto, y no todos los modelos incorporan filtros UV en sus ventanas. Yo cuando vuelo todo el dia me tengo que poner filtro solar hasta en las manos, es como estar todo el dia en una caja de cristal.
 

rcl7700

New Member
Yo he leído las dos cosas. Que si nos afecta la radiación, y otras que no.

Como menciona el articulo los mas expuestos son los pilotos de aviones que pasan mucho tiempo en el aire arriba de FL350 y se acercan a los polos. En el articulo que alguna vez leí examinaron a muchos pilotos que volaban aviones grandes y los comparaban a personas "normales". Encontraron que las cantidades de radioactividad en pilotos y no pilotos era igual.

También recuerdo haber leído que esta exposición no tiene que ver con estar expuesto a la luz solar. Es mas bien por estar volando en esos lugares que son zonas menos protegida por la atmosphera. Al parecer aunque seas pasajero y vengas con la persiana de tu ventana cerrada, la exposición a este tipo de radiación es igual. Llevan años con esto de la radiación, ojala y pronto se pongan de acuerdo. Yo me imagino que los efectos son mínimos o nulos. Si fuera tan grave el efecto se vería una mortalidad por Cancer mas elevada en pilotos de "heavies", lo cual no creo que sea cierto.

Al mismo tiempo los aviones pesados cada vez pueden pasar mas tiempo en el aire y volar mas alto. También me imagino que la capa de ozono cada vez es menos resistente o existente. Quien sabe si esto sea cierto, ojala no.

Slds
 
Pregunta sobre Radiación Cósmica en personal de vuelo??

Espero este lugar sea el correcto para esta pregunta...
Estaba leyendo el Reglamento de la ley civil de aviación y el articulo 110 dice que:

ARTÍCULO 110. Todo concesionario, permisionario u operador aéreo es responsable de:

IV. Contar con el equipo que permita medir e indicar continuamente la dosificación total de radiación cósmica a que esté sometido el personal de vuelo y la dosis acumulativa en cada vuelo y mantener el registro mediante el cual pueda determinar la dosis total de radiación cósmica recibida por cada miembro del personal de vuelo durante un período de doce meses consecutivos, de conformidad con lo establecido en las normas oficiales mexicanas correspondientes.

Existe algo que mide la radiación cosmica en todas las aeronaves? y ese dato donde se registra o como? La verdad nunca había escuchado nada sobre eso saludos!
 

Mermoz

New Member
Pregunta pertinente... Se que existen modelos para calcular la dosis anual recibida por el personal de vuelo. Varios factores entran en cuenta como el numero de vuelos, tiempo de vuelo, altitud, latitud, etc. En Europa tengo entendido que ciertas aerolíneas proporcionan dicha información durante la visita medica del personal de vuelo. En cuanto à Mexico... No sabré decirte si existe tanta transparencia... Aunque establecido por ley... Quizá algún miembro del foro con mas información al respecto pueda orientarte... En cuanto a tu pregunta relativa al equipo de medición de radiación cósmica a bordo de una aeronave comercial, no existe tal cual. No es uno, sino varios equipos necesarios para poder tomar en cuenta todos los componentes de la radiación cósmica. Son generalmente equipos de laboratorio que necesitan personal calificado para su operación (calibración, etc.) y poder analizar los resultados obtenidos después de cada vuelo. De misma manera, se necesitaría un seguimiento de aeronaves/vuelos/tripulación por cada dosis de radiación levantada. En una época donde las aerolíneas buscan realizar ahorros substanciales en recursos humanos, material, mantenimiento y servicios no pienso que sean invertidos recursos al fin de cumplir con el marco legal. Una pagina web informativa: https://www.sievert-system.org/?locale=en#Mesure

Saludos,
 

escorpiomx

Active Member
En alguna ocasion en un programa cientifico sobre los rayos cosmicos mencionaron que para su estudio se requeria estar varios metros bajo la tierra y atraparlos en un estanque de agua ultra pura, esto es porque es el tipo de radiacion que llega mas profundo, he de suponer que debe de ser muy complicado el crear un detector de rayos cosmicos portatil y de igual manera su impacto en los seres vivos es minimo y aun desconocido.
 

egoiste+

New Member
Hola,
Dejo un par de enlaces referentes al tema, el primero es una explicación bastante completa de la naturaleza de la radiación a la que se expone una tripulación en vuelo y los posibles efectos que con el tiempo podrían causar. Aún cuando a largo plazo es muy difícil establecer una relación causa-efecto del tipo "Me dio cáncer porque tengo 30 años volando", la exposición que sufre el personal de vuelo a lo largo de su carrera si está empezando a considerar seriamente como un riesgo de trabajo.
El otros enlace es un calculador de la FAA para la radiación cósmica recibida.
Saludos

http://aircrewhealth.com/Topics/hazards/radiation.htm

http://jag.cami.jccbi.gov/cariprofile.asp
 
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